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Postata de: meaw_ela Aug 28 2009, 08:15 PM

Dragi prietene, noi mamici...consider acest subiect foarte important.

Dupa cum multe dintre voi stiti,mamica mea a pierdut batalia impotriva cancerului ..la fel si ambele bunici ...si din aceasta cauza, cancerul facand parte din istoria medicala a familiei ,deseori m-am intrebat oare cum voi putea previne aceasta cruda boala....

Din pagina in pagina am descoperit anumite studii, ipoteze care implica si LAPTELE DE VACA.....

Voi ce credetzi.... Este oare posibil?
Si mai important decat orice : Este OK sa dam noilor nascuti LAPTE DE VACA?????

Postata de: meaw_ela Aug 28 2009, 08:18 PM

QUOTE(meaw_ela @ Aug 28 2009, 01:34 PM) *
" PEDIATRICIAN DR.PAUL ANSWERS:The answer to your question today, differs from what I would have replied over 10 years ago. Currently, The Canadian Pediatric Society recommends breast milk or iron-fortified formula for the first 9-12 months.(The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that babies not be given whole cow's milk for the first 12 months of life). There are many reasons for this, but the most important is related to the iron needs of a child. Iron is an essential part of red blood cells. When the body does not have enough iron to make red blood cells "anemia" (or decreased level of red blood cells) will develop. Normally, babies are born with enough iron in their body for the first few months of life. However by 3-4 months, extra iron is needed. This extra iron should come from the child's diet and this is why iron-fortified formula is recommended for infants who are not breast-fed.

For a variety of reasons, whole cow's milk is considered to be a very poor source of iron. In addition, the protein in cow's milk is not easy to digest by babies. By far, the best source of iron, and other nutrients for a baby is breast milk. For this reason breastfeeding should continue for as long as possible. However when breastfeeding is not an option, baby should be drinking iron-fortified formula which contains enough iron and all other essential vitamins and nutrients to support normal growth and development. In addition, infant formulas contain modified cow's milk protein that a baby can more easily digest.

Prior to the current recommendation, babies were switched to whole cow's milk at 6 months of age, or even earlier. The reason that the period on iron-fortified formula or breast milk has been extended is that studies have shown a surprising amount of iron deficiency anemia in children less than a year of age. We also now recognize that iron deficiency anemia in the first year has been linked to developmental delays, that unfortunately, in some cases are not reversed by adding iron to the diet later. Therefore prevention of iron deficiency anemia is our goal.

As you can see, whole cow's milk is not suitable for most of the first year of life. While the exact timing of the switch should be discussed with your doctor, whole cow's milk should only be introduced when baby is eating adequate amount of solid foods containing iron and vitamin C, preferably between 9 to 12 months of age. On a final note, remember, when the switch is made, it should be to be to whole cow's milk only, as skim or 2% milk are not recommended for children less than 2 years old.

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© Autograph Communications Inc., All rights reservedIntroducing Cow's Milk
Breast Milk Formula Cow's Milk Weaning

Parents of babies often wonder about the best time to introduce cow's milk into their child's diet. Expert recommendations vary from 9-12 months, with most leaning towards the one year mark, but virtually all child nutritionists agree that giving cow's milk to a child under nine months of age would be unwise. Babies of that age need more iron than what cow's milk offers, so breast milk or formula should be the baby's main beverage for the first year of life.

Food Sources
From about seven or eight months, it is safe for babies to consume cow's milk in yogurt, custard, or cheese. As long as your baby shows no signs of gastrointestinal distress after consuming milk products, you can continue to include them as part of the diet. These products are a good source of calcium, as well as vitamin D.

Reasons to Wait
Although it can be tempting to switch your baby to cow's milk early rather than continuing to breastfeed or purchase formula, there are a number of reasons to wait until the baby reaches one year.

* Early introduction of cow's milk has been shown to increase the chances that the baby will develop diabetes later in life, especially if there is already a family history of the disease.
* Cow's milk isn't a good source of iron, so until the baby is eating a variety of iron rich foods, the consumption of cow's milk puts the baby at risk for anemia.
* Allergies and eczema are more prevalent in children switched to cow's milk before their first birthday.
* Cow's milk isn't as nutrient rich as formula (and is certainly lacking compared to breast milk), so to ensure that your baby has the best nutritional start, wait until 12 months before you wean to cow's milk.

How to Make the Switch
The taste of cow's milk is going to be new for your baby, so it may take a little getting used to. Some parents choose to alternate cups or bottles of cow's milk and formula until the baby is willing to drink the cow's milk as easily as the formula. Others choose to mix the milk and the formula together to allow the baby to gradually adjust to the taste. This method seems to work well, especially when the first few mixtures are mostly formula and over the course of several days or weeks, the percentages switch until the baby is happily drinking exclusively cow's milk. Some babies go along with change better than others - if your baby seems resistant, take your time making the transition.

What to Buy
Babies need the extra fat contained in whole milk for proper brain, eye, and nervous system development until their second birthday. It is not advisable to serve low fat or skimmed milk to babies. Start with whole milk and plan to serve that for the next year or so. At that point you can check with your pediatrician for recommendations about switching to milk with a lower fat content.

The high cost of formula can be a bit burdensome on the family budget, but the nutritional differences between formula or breast milk and cow's milk are considerable. When your baby is ready, at about a year, the switch should be fairly easy. Until then, remember that the time on breast milk or formula is making a substantial contribution to your baby's health - both now and in the future.
Original Paper

Analysis of DNA Damage Using the Comet Assay in Infants Fed Cow's Milk
Ruscedilen Dündarözb, Hakan Ulucana, Halil Idotbrahim Aydinodotnb, Tayfun Güngörd, Volkan Baltacinodote, Metin Denlif, Yavuz Sanisogbreveluc

aDepartment of Medical Genetics, Medical School of Adnan Menderes University, Ayd&idot;n;
bDepartment of Pediatrics, and
cDepartment of Biostatistics, Gülhane Military Medical Academy and Medical School, Ankara;
dDepartment of Obstetric and Gynecology, Dr. Zekai Tahir Burak Maternity Hospital, Ankara;
eDepartment of Genetics, Medical School of Bascedilkent University, Ankara;
fDepartment of Obstetric and Gynecology, Mevki Military Hospital, Ankara, Turkey

Address of Corresponding Author

Biol Neonate 2003;84:135-141 (DOI: 10.1159/000071947)
It has been hypothesized that non-human milk feeding may increase the risk for cancer or for a specific cancer or group of cancers as well as the risk for diseases such as type-1 diabetes mellitus and Crohn's disease. Regarding DNA damage leading to cancer development in the absence of human milk protection, a comparison between infants fed human milk and cow's milk has been performed. Each group consisted of 35 infants, whose ages ranged from 9 to 12 months. The level of DNA damage in the peripheral blood lymphocytes of infants has been studied by the comet assay. A significant increase has been found in the number of limited DNA-damaged (p < 0.001) and extensive DNA-damaged (p < 0.001) cells of infants fed cow's milk. To our knowledge, this is the first study using the comet assay on infants not breast-fed. Supporting our previous SCE study, these results suggest that there is some level of DNA damage in the lymphocytes of infants not breast-fed and this may lead to malignancy in childhood or later in life.

Copyright © 2003 S. Karger AG, Basel

http://www.notmilk.com/kradjian.html


Postata de: meaw_ela Aug 28 2009, 08:27 PM


The Dangers of Cow's Milk
by Linda Folden Palmer, D.C.
Today, many of the problems parents have with their babies are linked to new parenting and feeding techniques that have been implemented during the recent century. Colic, for instance, is far more common in the U.S. than in many other places around the world. Two chief causes for its rise are the stress suffered by babies being regularly separated from their mothers, and the common difficulties babies have tolerating the large cow's milk proteins in infant formulas and breastfeeding mothers' diets. Cow's milk is a foreign substance that has pervaded every corner of our diets—starting with artificial infant feeds, but finding its way into mother's breastmilk through the foods she eats as well. As it turns out, health problems such as childhood diabetes, obesity, bowel disease, osteoporosis, heart disease, cataracts, colic, ear infections, hyperactivity, and cancer, on the rise in both children and adults, are strongly linked to infant feeding choices.

While there are literally thousands of research studies, each revealing at least one of milk's hazards, the dairy industry goes to great lengths to stifle any damaging rumors. Blanket statements, such as, "There is simply no scientific research to back up these claims," are easily made. With a long and successful history of dairy promotion, these are readily accepted by the public. More people need to go to the real research and learn the truth for themselves. They should be very suspicious of these foreign foods being pushed on their children. They should question motives as well as possible outcomes. Although some of the dangers of cow's milk consumption relate more to adults than to children, parents' actions form the basis for lifelong dairy-consuming habits in their children.

The harmful components of cow's milk include all the major parts of it, as well as some more minor elements. Lactose is a sugar meant for babies, but it's generally harmful to adults. The proteins in cow's milk are different from human milk proteins and cause problems of digestion, intolerance, impaired absorption of other nutrients, and autoimmune reactions. Few of the proteins meant for baby cows are found naturally in human mother's milk, and none are found in any natural adult human food. Even the high protein content in cow's milk creates problems. Human babies need the saturated fats and cholesterol in mother's milk. Bovine milk fat is not appropriately composed for human babies and is only deleterious to the health of children and adults. Cow hormones are not meant for humans, and older children and adults are not meant to consume hormones. And, cows have been selectively bred over time to create high levels of these hormones—those being the cows that grow the fastest and produce the greatest amount of milk. Cows also concentrate pesticides and pollutants into their milk fat, from their high dietary food and water requirements. The high amount of drugs now given to cows adds to this chemical soup. But we need milk to build strong bones, don't we? Actually, heavy milk consumption leads to increased osteoporosis.

Deflating Dairy

The highly promoted idea that milk builds strong bones refers to the prevention of osteoporosis—this is the reason for strengthening bones. Decades of effort to demonstrate that high calcium diets chiefly derived from dairy products build strong bones have failed to prove any such correlation. In fact, the opposite seems to be true1. It appears that high calcium intake before puberty, and especially in young childhood, may have some slight positive effect on bones, but this diet is not the answer. A balanced intake of all the bone minerals, along with adequate vitamin A, C, and D, is what is truly needed. A balanced intake of minerals cannot occur when the diet emphasizes dairy. Dairy's high calcium causes relative deficiencies in magnesium and other bone-building minerals, and its high phosphorus and animal protein reduces calcium availability. Physical activity has the greatest benefit—the body efficiently uses what is available to build strong bones when it senses the need. Human milk and vegetable sources are superior to dairy for calcium and other nutrients in many ways. There are fewer nutritional or other health advantages to giving cow's milk to children than is generally believed, while there are certainly many risks.

Almost every day another health research finding is made about whole grains, soy, a serving of vegetables, two fruits per day, cashews, legumes, fish, or some other food, other than milk that is, and their connection to a reduced risk of heart disease, breast cancer, stroke, diabetes, or other disease. This is because cow's milk and its derivatives today make up one-third of the adult diet, and half to two-thirds of caloric intake in children, thus replacing so much other important, nutritious food needed in the diet. This leads to insufficient intake of important vitamins, several minerals, and healthy fiber and vegetable oils. Cancer-preventing antioxidants in foods are missing in this milk diet as well. While one form of antioxidant vitamin A is added to milk (but not all dairy products), it is likely counteracted by the pesticide and drug residues. The full complement of vitamin A and associated enzymes, found in vegetables and other foods, are required for cancer prevention. Many, many more kinds of antioxidants are found in vegetables, legumes, fruits, and grains.

No other animal in the animal kingdom drinks milk beyond childhood. No other animal suffers from osteoporosis, except the occasional pet raised on human meals.

If there remains a desire to provide milk to a child who has no diarrhea, rashes, or other intolerance reactions, organic (organic—not raw) non-fat milk would be the best choice. In raw (unpasteurized) milk there can be many potentially dangerous microorganisms, in addition to the leukemia virus. In organic milk there are fewer antibiotic residues, no added hormones, and cows are given better feeds. Non-fat means less chemical residue and no artery-damaging saturated fat. Children can obtain fat in the form of non-hydrogenated (especially monosaturated) vegetable oils, be it in potato chips or cashews. Goat's milk is considered by many to be superior in many ways, and today low-fat versions are available. Much less documented information is available about goat's milk, but it appears that the proteins are less problematic for digestion, although allergic intolerance to these can also occur. Lactose and hormones would remain an issue although, to date, goats apparently are not injected with extra growth hormone.

Although it was apparent from day one that formula was a health risk for infants, back when it was first promoted, cow's milk for older children appeared to be a nutritional manna. And with one or two glasses a day from a healthy, range-fed animal, it likely nearly was. Since this time, however, the quality of dairy has drastically reduced while its consumption has exploded... with a little advertising help. The evidence suggesting that the early faith in milk was misplaced has been building up for decades. The dairy industry has had to take increasingly extreme efforts to keep this information out of public awareness.

I have only touched on the tip of the existing evidence against the health claims of the milk industry promoters. Since our childhood, the dairy industry has worked hard to have dairy products enshrined in a food group of their own. Even though they were given their own space in the new Eating Right food pyramid, they found themselves placed in a small upper portion and have lobbied to have the pyramid withdrawn.2 Many nutrition experts such as Harvard's Dr. Walter Willett3 suggest they should not be a featured group in the pyramid at all. The dairy industry has also successfully convinced many vegetarians that milk from cows, especially cheese, is a vegetarian food. Since few substantiated health claims can be made anymore, the milk industry's most recent promotion has been to simply show their product on the upper lip of celebrities of all kinds, even those who are dairy-allergic (Bill Clinton), and even on those who are too young to be consuming whole milk (the Rugrats). Before this promo, it was simply "Got milk?" While an ever-growing preponderance of scientific information points to the dangers of cow's milk, favorable public and even mainstream medical opinion about dairy products has been very successfully maintained.

Knowing and avoiding the potentially harmful effects that high dairy consumption and milk-sensitivity reactions can have on your child is just as important and loving as nursing, close bonding, and informed health care decisions. What we feed our children matters; how we parent them matters. These measures will lead to the best health, comfort and happiness available to a child. Parents have the power to create and enjoy healthier, happier children with brighter futures.

Postata de: Mih@ela Aug 28 2009, 08:32 PM

Stiu ca laptele de vaca are o valoare proteica de 10 ori mai mare decat laptele indicat beblusilor pana intr-un an.Un medic chiar zicea intr-un reportaj:! Laptele de vaca e pentru vitzel,poate prejudicia sanatatea copilului in timp..."! Eu,nu i-am dat lapte de vaca pana intr-un an.. oFloare1.gif

Postata de: ninina Aug 28 2009, 08:33 PM

QUOTE(meaw_ela @ Aug 28 2009, 08:15 PM) *
Drage prietena, noi mamici...consider acest subiect foarte important.

Dupa cum multe dintre voi stiti,mamica mea a pierdut batalia impotriva cancerului ..la fel si ambele bunici ...si din aceasta cauza, cancerul facand parte din istoria medicala a familiei ,deseori m-am intrebat oare cum voi putea previne aceasta cruda boala....

Din pagina in pagina am descoperit anumite studii, ipoteze care implica si LAPTELE DE VACA.....

Voi ce credetzi.... Este oare posibil?
Si mai important decat orice : Este OK sa dam noilor nascuti LAPTE DE VACA?????

...am si eu cateva carti naturiste...care spun ca este contraindicat laptele de vaca pt bebelusi...si bineintles in cantitati mari si adultilor....copilasii doar dupa 3 ani e bine sa bea lapte....
....laptele contine cazeina...care hraneste celulele canceroase...
...nu inteleg articticolul...(ma descurc putin cu engleza)...dar cred ca despre asta este scris.....
....cartile de care am vb contin foarte multe tratamente contra cancerlui.....adica mai mult pt prevenire....

Postata de: meaw_ela Aug 28 2009, 08:34 PM

QUOTE(Mih@ela @ Aug 28 2009, 02:32 PM) *
Stiu ca laptele de vaca are o valoare proteica de 10 ori mai mare decat laptele indicat beblusilor pana intr-un an.Un medic chiar zicea intr-un reportaj:! Laptele de vaca e pentru vitzel,etc.."! Eu,nu i-am dat lapte de vaca pana intr-un an.. oFloare1.gif

Asa este. ! trandafir.gif trandafir.gif trandafir.gif trandafir.gif trandafir.gif trandafir.gif trandafir.gif trandafir.gif

Postata de: meaw_ela Aug 28 2009, 08:36 PM

QUOTE(ninina @ Aug 28 2009, 02:33 PM) *
...am si eu cateva carti naturiste...care spun ca este contraindicat laptele de vaca pt bebelusi...si bineintles in cantitati mari si adultilor....copilasii doar dupa 3 ani e bine sa bea lapte....
....laptele contine cazeina...care hraneste celulele canceroase...
...nu inteleg articticolul...(ma descurc putin cu engleza)...dar cred ca despre asta este scris.....
....cartile de care am vb contin foarte multe tratamente contra cancerlui.....adica mai mult pt prevenire....

Da. despre asta este vorba. Cand ai timp poate imi lasi aici ....cum se numesc cartzile- autorii- te rog! trandafir.gif

Postata de: cristina321711 Aug 28 2009, 08:37 PM

parerea mea sincera este NU oFloare.gif cel putin in primul an de viata
Alexandra a trecut dupa 2 ani la laptele normal
Sara acum 2 luni (1 an si 2 luni) cu ea am avut mai mult curaj

Postata de: ninina Aug 28 2009, 08:40 PM

QUOTE(meaw_ela @ Aug 28 2009, 08:36 PM) *
Da. despre asta este vorba. Cand ai timp poate imi lasi aici ....cum se numesc cartzile- autorii- te rog! trandafir.gif

....Indreptar profilactic si terapeutic de medicina naturista ....scrisa de dr Doru LAza.....si inca doua care au aparut acum....le-am luat direct de la sursa...nu se gasesc in librarii...SAnatate si vindecare.....sunt doua carti mari....si foarte ieftine le-am luat....foarte bune...tot felul de tratemente.....

Postata de: meaw_ela Aug 28 2009, 08:53 PM

QUOTE(ninina @ Aug 28 2009, 02:40 PM) *
....Indreptar profilactic si terapeutic de medicina naturista ....scrisa de dr Doru LAza.....si inca doua care au aparut acum....le-am luat direct de la sursa...nu se gasesc in librarii...SAnatate si vindecare.....sunt doua carti mari....si foarte ieftine le-am luat....foarte bune...tot felul de tratemente.....

Iti multzumesc!

Postata de: USA Aug 28 2009, 08:57 PM

Nici eu nu sunt ptr laptele de vaca dat pana la un an...si nici pana in doi....si nici chiar fiert.......favorizeaza foarte usor alergiile, car apar mai tarziu.....
Dupa doi anisori, fiert bine se poate da, dar in limita..... partners.gif

Postata de: EMY2000 Aug 28 2009, 08:58 PM

nu stiu sigur ce sa iti spun draga mea.mie doctora lui alex mi-a zis ca nu-i nici o problema s-ai dau lapte de vaca de la 6 luni in sus, dar numai combinat cu ceai.dar sa am mare grija sa nu fie foarte concentrat ca risca sa faca entorocolita.fetitza unei prietene nu a stiut ca trebuie sa-l combine si i la dat asa.in aceeasi zi era cu fata de urgenta in spital cu enterocolita acuta(parca asa a zis).
eu nu am avut curaj sa-i dau nici pana acum.

Postata de: ruxy Aug 28 2009, 09:32 PM

Am sa desprind din cartea Tao pentru sanatate si longevitate( Daniel Raid)...un capitol despre lapte...foarte informativ.

am sa incerc sa il fotografiez deoarece este mult de scris si sper sa puteti citi..














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Postata de: dyanp Aug 28 2009, 09:39 PM

Lui Andrei care are trei ani jumate, de la 10 luni(cat l-am alaptat) si pana la 18 luni i-am data exclusiv formula, apoi de la 18 luni pana la 3 ani i-am dat si lapte de vaca si formula, formula dimineata, de vaca seara.
Cristian care nu a mai vrut san de la 4 luni, am avut noi altele pe cap, i-am dt forumula si il tin asa pana la 18 luni si apoi combinat pana la 3 ani. Pediatra m-a invatat(in tara) si am nu am avut probleme, alergii sau alte minuni. Stiu ca formula este scumpa, dar sanatatea....nu are pret, v-o spun din proprie experienta, si cand e vorba de tine mai e cum mai e, dar cand e de copilul tau........ floare2.gif pt voi mamici deosebite si grijulii.

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Offf, ruxi, Kafka ma cam calca pe nervi cu spusele lui, ca eu le interpretez .....conform situatiei mele.... doh.gif , imi trebuie un somn bun ca sunt cam tafnoasa floare2.gif

Postata de: marimaria Aug 28 2009, 09:54 PM

Eu i-am dat de la 3 ani timp de vreo doi ani..........am renuntat ca era cam incomod de ajuns la femeia cu vaci biggrin.gif
Mai devreme am considerat ca-i prea gras pt ea si poate provoca si alergii.
Acum cumparam din comert...........rar se intampla sa iau proaspat de la dozator si bea o cana, doua si gata, restul i-l papam noi tongue.gif biggrin.gif

Postata de: ruxy Aug 28 2009, 10:04 PM

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Offf, ruxi, Kafka ma cam calca pe nervi cu spusele lui, ca eu le interpretez .....conform situatiei mele.... doh.gif , imi trebuie un somn bun ca sunt cam tafnoasa floare2.gif

L-am sters de la semnatura ca sa nu te mai enerveze....

Postata de: alexandra81 Aug 28 2009, 10:11 PM

Stefi papa lapte de vaca de mai bine de 1 anisor si ceva. Am o dna care imi aduce saptamanal o sticla de 2 litri. Niciodata nu am avut probleme cu el din cauza acestui lapte. E adevarat ca acum nu mai papa asa de des, dar lapte tot primesc saptamanal. Ne-am obisnuit sa avem in casa rolleyes.gif

Postata de: dyanp Aug 28 2009, 10:11 PM

QUOTE(ruxy @ Aug 28 2009, 01:04 PM) *
L-am sters de la semnatura ca sa nu te mai enerveze....


unsure.gif nu trebuia, draga mea, sunt eu bulversata...of notworthy.gif floare2.gif

Postata de: meaw_ela Aug 28 2009, 10:12 PM

Consider aceste informatzii, parerile voastre ,foarte importante- si va multzumesc! trandafir.gif trandafir.gif trandafir.gif notworthy.gif

Postata de: cristinu_tza Aug 28 2009, 10:15 PM

Nici eu nu sunt de acord cu a da lapte de vaca pana intr-un an, de fapt eu vreau sa continui in a da formula Mirunei pana la doi ani.
Problema mea este alta: branza calcica care se prepara cu lapte de vaca. Nu este ca si cum i-am fi dat lapte de vaca? unsure.gif

Postata de: dyanp Aug 28 2009, 10:17 PM

QUOTE(cristinu_tza @ Aug 28 2009, 01:15 PM) *
Nici eu nu sunt de acord cu a da lapte de vaca pana intr-un an, de fapt eu vreau sa continui in a da formula Mirunei pana la doi ani.
Problema mea este alta: branza calcica care se prepara cu lapte de vaca. Nu este ca si cum i-am fi dat lapte de vaca? unsure.gif



nu, sunt niste chestii chimice pe care nu stiu sa le explic... blush.gif , dar aia e sigura si recomandata de toti pediatrii, macar sunt si ei asupra unui lucru.

Postata de: cristinu_tza Aug 28 2009, 10:27 PM

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nu, sunt niste chestii chimice pe care nu stiu sa le explic... blush.gif , dar aia e sigura si recomandata de toti pediatrii, macar sunt si ei asupra unui lucru.

Multumesc trandafir.gif
Pe de alta parte tipa cu care am stat in salon dupa ce am nascut imi spunea acum cateva luni ca pediatrul fetei ei nu-i recomanda sa faca branza cu lapte de vaca, ci cu formula...deci mai sunt si mici dezacorduri wacko.gif

Postata de: dyanp Aug 28 2009, 10:28 PM

incearca si vezi diferenta, sau mai bine, lasa copilul sa faca diferenta

Postata de: anku Aug 28 2009, 11:36 PM

sub nici o forma lapte de vaca pana la 2 ani ..poate chiar 3...dar pana la 2 ani sub nici o forma...
cum spuneati laptele de vaca e ptr vitelusi....nu ptr bebici...in caz ca nu este si nu ai ce sa faci i dai de vaca dar altfekl nu...
la inceput nu stiaam ce sa fac dar m-am mai inf si eu si am ajuns la concluzia asta.. sad.gif

norocul meu ca eu nu aam baut de vaca ...poate nu ma papa cancerul...dar soramea a baut de la 10 luni sad.gif
am citit p laptic nr 4 adica dupa un an...
ca are ce are si laptele de vaca dar tratat bineinteles si 20 ori mai mult calciu decat laptele de vaca...
poate sa fie d vaca -este sanatos dar nu ptr oricine-nici la noi laptele nu lipseste never din casa dar nu ma risc....d ce sa risc???dc s-au facut studii iar lapticul acela este absolut de cea mai mare incredere???
acum poate nu are nimic dar mai tarziu cum spuneai tu te trezesti cu tot felul de boli si nu ai banuiala de unde...

deci pana la 2 ani NU:::doamne ferste de un razboi sau ceva ....doar asa i dau...
poopam frumosii tai copilasi si p tine...imi pare rau de mama si bunicile tale...ce pot sa spun...fi optimista... tzuc.gif

Postata de: meaw_ela Aug 28 2009, 11:45 PM

QUOTE(anku @ Aug 28 2009, 05:36 PM) *
sub nici o forma lapte de vaca pana la 2 ani ..poate chiar 3...dar pana la 2 ani sub nici o forma...
cum spuneati laptele de vaca e ptr vitelusi....nu ptr bebici...in caz ca nu este si nu ai ce sa faci i dai de vaca dar altfekl nu...
la inceput nu stiaam ce sa fac dar m-am mai inf si eu si am ajuns la concluzia asta.. sad.gif

norocul meu ca eu nu aam baut de vaca ...poate nu ma papa cancerul...dar soramea a baut de la 10 luni sad.gif
am citit p laptic nr 4 adica dupa un an...
ca are ce are si laptele de vaca dar tratat bineinteles si 20 ori mai mult calciu decat laptele de vaca...
poate sa fie d vaca -este sanatos dar nu ptr oricine-nici la noi laptele nu lipseste never din casa dar nu ma risc....d ce sa risc???dc s-au facut studii iar lapticul acela este absolut de cea mai mare incredere???
acum poate nu are nimic dar mai tarziu cum spuneai tu te trezesti cu tot felul de boli si nu ai banuiala de unde...

deci pana la 2 ani NU:::doamne ferste de un razboi sau ceva ....doar asa i dau...
poopam frumosii tai copilasi si p tine...imi pare rau de mama si bunicile tale...ce pot sa spun...fi optimista... tzuc.gif

Iti multzumesc iubita...Eu stiam de aceasta regula de mult timp..de aceea Majei i-am dat san doi ani de zile...apoi dupa cand i-am dat de vaca a facut alergie..si am renuntzat...soy milk a fost pentru un an solutzia..apoi incet i-am mai dat ici si colo -cacao cu lapte de vaca......dar era deja mare..3 ani....Cu Niko o sa repet acelasi regim...san cat cuprinde..cat o sa am....apoi dupa doi-trei ani mai vedem. notworthy.gif trandafir.gif trandafir.gif trandafir.gif trandafir.gif

Postata de: anastasia80 Aug 28 2009, 11:51 PM

Fetelor eu nu mai stiu ce sa cred. De exemlu oamenii de la tara, ei nu le da lapte praf copiilor, ci lapte de vaca. Sau bunica mea l-a crescut pe varul meu( care a fost abandonat de mama inca de la nastere) l-a crescut cu lapte de vaca. Acum este clasa a treia si este perfect sanatos. Chiar nu stiu ce sa cred, sunt opinii si opinii. Zece medici, zece pareri diferite.

Postata de: anku Aug 28 2009, 11:59 PM

QUOTE(anastasia80 @ Aug 28 2009, 11:51 PM) *
Fetelor eu nu mai stiu ce sa cred. De exemlu oamenii de la tara, ei nu le da lapte praf copiilor, ci lapte de vaca. Sau bunica mea l-a crescut pe varul meu( care a fost abandonat de mama inca de la nastere) l-a crescut cu lapte de vaca. Acum este clasa a treia si este perfect sanatos. Chiar nu stiu ce sa cred, sunt opinii si opinii. Zece medici, zece pareri diferite.

dar nu medicii tb asa hotarasca pt copii nostrii...multi au pareri subiective...numai noi mamele putem sti ce este mai bine ptr puii nostrii...informandu-ne de peste tot ,intreband mult ...nu numai ce spune medicul sa-i daam sa pape sau chestii de astea...un medic de multe ori in chestii de alimentatie este exact ca si noi...
sunt altii care sunt specialisti in alimentatia bebicilor si si-au scris carti,articole etc...

bineinteles si soramea are 18 ani si este sanatoasa[sper ca rebelismul nu i se datoreaza laptelui de vaca- liwlol.gif glumeam]dar ...atata timp cat exista o solutie absolut sigura nu vad de ce sa nu profitam de ea...
cand eram eu bebic nu erau atatea cercetari si imbunatatiri la laptic...am nmancat si eu un lapte praf de facaem p mine tb mare si de cate 8 ori p zi...la mine nu au putut sa-mi dea lapte de vaca ca a fost figura cu cernobalul...
dar ai dreptate..opiniile sunt impartite....si fiecare are dreptul la alegerea lui...
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Postata de: anku Aug 29 2009, 12:02 AM

QUOTE(meaw_ela @ Aug 28 2009, 11:45 PM) *
Iti multzumesc iubita...Eu stiam de aceasta regula de mult timp..de aceea Majei i-am dat san doi ani de zile...apoi dupa cand i-am dat de vaca a facut alergie..si am renuntzat...soy milk a fost pentru un an solutzia..apoi incet i-am mai dat ici si colo -cacao cu lapte de vaca......dar era deja mare..3 ani....Cu Niko o sa repet acelasi regim...san cat cuprinde..cat o sa am....apoi dupa doi-trei ani mai vedem. notworthy.gif trandafir.gif trandafir.gif trandafir.gif trandafir.gif

ooooooooo...ce bine...
iti doresc sa alptezi cat mai mult...
pana la urma tot lapticul de mama ramane cel mai bun...
intoleranta la lactoza a fost cu maia????
intreb ca dc da sunt lapticuri fara lactoza...
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Postata de: meaw_ela Aug 29 2009, 12:15 AM

QUOTE(anku @ Aug 28 2009, 06:02 PM) *
ooooooooo...ce bine...
iti doresc sa alptezi cat mai mult...
pana la urma tot lapticul de mama ramane cel mai bun...
intoleranta la lactoza a fost cu maia????
intreb ca dc da sunt lapticuri fara lactoza...
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Nu stiu ce a fost atunci dar acum e ok cand ii mai dau -nu o deranjeaza ,...Poate a fost ceva neinregula cu laptele acela...Mie imi place cel de soya.si ei la fel... partners.gif

Postata de: anku Aug 29 2009, 12:18 AM

QUOTE(meaw_ela @ Aug 29 2009, 12:15 AM) *
Nu stiu ce a fost atunci dar acum e ok cand ii mai dau -nu o deranjeaza ,...Poate a fost ceva neinregula cu laptele acela...Mie imi place cel de soya.si ei la fel... partners.gif

am auizt ca e f sanatos cel de soia...
dar fara vanilie sau cacao...dar eu nu pot sa-l beau... sad.gif
o sa mai incerc...maine...cand am baut prima dat eram gravida...si poate de aia smile.gif

Postata de: aleena Aug 29 2009, 02:09 PM

Buna Ela, sper ca ma primesti si pe mine la tine....

In legatura cu laptele de vaca - este interzis laptele de vaca pt bebelusi!!!! Laptele de vaca contine de doua ori mai multe proteine si aproape de trei ori mai multe grasimi saturate decat are nevoie un copil cu varsta cuprinsa intre 1 si 3 ani, nemaivorbind de nivelul colesterolului! Un aport prea mare de proteine ii va suprasolicita rinichii, in timp ce grasimile saturate si proteinele consumate in exces, pot duce la instalarea obezitatii inca de la varste fragede si chiar afectiuni renale mai tarziu....
Este sarac in vitamina C, substanta esentiala pentru asimilarea fierului, si, prin urmare, preintampinarea anemiei, si contine cantitati mici de vitamina D, necesara asimilarii calciului in oase.
Nu asigura nici macar jumatate din necesarul zilnic de fier pentru un copil cu varsta intre 1 si 3 ani. Lipsa de fier este principalul declansator al anemiei, afectiune care va slabi organismul copilului ce favorizeaza aparitia infectiilor. Anemia este raspunzatoare de incetinirea cresterii in greutate, intarzierea procesului de dezvoltare, devierile de comportament si pentru dezvoltarea intelectuala per ansamblu. In acelasi timp, are un continut mult prea ridicat de sodiu, in defavoarea altor minerale precum zincul, fosforul, potasiul si seleniul.
Nu contine fibre alimentare, ingreunand astfel tranzitul intestinal. Printre efecte se poate numara dezvoltarea unei constipatii cronice si, in general, a problemelor digestive. Bebeul nu are inca o flora intestinala dezvoltata si nici organe interne obisnuite sa lucreze la intreaga lor capacitate.

Sper ca nu au fost prea multe informatii dar sunt elocvente si zic eu decisive!

Pana la 6 luni bebelinul poate sa pape doar lapticul de la mami si este suficient. Nu trebuie sa se suplimenteze nici macar cu ceai sau apa. Laptele de mama contine 2 faze, ca sa spun asa...Una mai apoasa - la inceput, necesara pt potolirea setei bebeului si abia laptele de consistenta "groasa", galbui ata de benefic pt puii nostri.
Si alaptati cat puteti de mult!!! Chiar si pana la 2 ani. Studiile au demonstrat ca bebelusii hraniti cu lapte matern au un coeficient de inteligenta mai mare decat al celor hraniti cu lapte praf...

Pupici si scuze de deranj!

PS. Ai o familie minunata! Sa fiti fericiti...Dar nu ne-ai povestit cu l-ai cunoscut pe sotul tau!

Postata de: nicky Oct 23 2009, 02:47 AM

Laptele de caprã, leac strãvechi


• Cura cu lapte de caprã are efecte imediate: redã vioiciunea ºi optimismul, sãnãtatea generalã, capacitatea de a lupta cu bolile, inclusiv cu cancerul


ªtiaþi cã laptele de caprã este mai sãnãtos decît cel de vacã? Încã din vechime a fost cunoscut acest leac cu acþiune lentã, dar sigurã pentru multe suferinþe. Este întãritor ºi hrãnitor. Prin compoziþia lui, mai bogatã în substanþe benefice decît cel de vacã, laptele de caprã are ºi rolul de a preveni multe boli grave. Pe deasupra, opreºte evoluþia cancerului. Se gãseºte greu, e adevãrat, dar dacã aveþi ocazia sã vã aprovizionaþi cu acest lapte, nu ezitaþi. În numai cîteva zile, o sã-i simþiþi efectele terapeutice. Veþi fi mai fortifiaþi, mai cu poftã de viaþã. Întocmai ca locuitorii de pe înãlþimile Caucazului, cei mai longevivi oameni de pe planetã.

Ideal pentru oase


Chiar dacã sînt mai puþin agreate de crescãtorii de animale, pentru cã sînt neastîmpãrate ºi stricãtoare, caprele sînt cele care dau cel mai sãnãtos lapte.Acest lapte fortificã organismul ºi întãreºte imunitatea naturalã în TBC (în special cu localizare pulmonarã), anemii, dezechilibre hormonale cu pierdere în greutate, cancere în forme incipiente, convalescenþe, afecþiuni paratiroidiene care genereazã spasmofilii rebele la tratamente clasice, atrofii musculare, astenie de primãvarã. Specialiºtii spun cã laptele de caprã previne, prin aportul de minerale, anemia ºi demineralizarea osoasã. Acþioneazã ca un medicament, înlãturînd slãbiciunea, redînd vigoarea ºi optimismul ºi ajutînd organismul sã lupte cu boala. Administrarea preventivã îi face pe cei bolnãvicioºi din fire sã devinã mai rezistenþi la virozele de sezon sau sã suporte mai uºor eventualele îmbolnãviri contagioase, îi fereºte pe adolescenþi de epuizare fizicã ºi îi ajutã pe copiii distrofici sã se dezvolte normal.

Speranta in tratarea cancerului

Laptele de caprã, spre deosebire de laptele de vacã, conþine un acid organic puternic care s-a demonstrat cã opreºte evoluþia cancerului aflat în stadiul incipient, dar are efecte benefice ºi în unele cazuri terminale, cu metastaza osoasã. În tratamentul bolnavilor de cancer, laptele de caprã se poate consuma în reprize scurte de 2-3 zile. Pentru astm, se fierbe lapte de caprã cu flori ºi frunze de pãstîrnac, timp de 10-15 minute, la foc mic. Se ia de pe foc ºi dupã 30 de minute se beau cîte 100-200 ml, de 3-5 ori/zi. Laptele de caprã se apropie mult de cel uman ºi se poate consuma fãrã riscul îmbolnãvirii pe care îl prezintã deseori laptele de vacã. Medicina naturistã recomandã laptele de caprã roºie, deoarece capra neagrã atrage soarele, iar cea albã îl respinge. Contra sterilitãþii, se foloseºte o reþetã cu lapte de caprã. Vreme de 49 de zile, se bea dimineaþã, la rãsãritul soarelui, ºi seara, la apusul soarelui, cîte o canã de lapte de caprã proaspãt muls, în care se adaugã douã linguri de suc obþinut prin stoarcerea tulpinilor proaspete de nãprasnic.

Cateva contraindicati

Pentru cã are un conþinut ridicat de grãsimi, laptele de caprã nu se administreazã fãrã avizul medicului persoanelor cãrora alimentele grase le dãuneazã (obezi, hipertensivi, persoane cu probleme hepatice). Persoanele cu afecþiuni pulmonare sau cei care au renunþat la fumat, dacã nu au astfel de restricþii, pot consuma un litru zilnic, nediluat, timp de minim 14 zile. În scop curativ ºi preventiv, cura cu lapte de caprã fiert dureazã între 14-90 zile, cîte 2-3 cãni zilnic. Pentru copii, laptele de caprã se dilueazã cu lapte de vacã, iar pentru adulþii predispuºi la diaree sau cu ficat sensibil, în prima sãptãmînã din curã se administreazã amestecat în pãrþi egale cu lapte de vacã. Gustul specific, care nu este pe placul oricui, poate fi îmbunãtãþit cu miere de albine. Dupã primele 14 zile, rezultatele sînt vizibile: reapare culoarea în obraji, dispar oboseala ºi depresia, creºte rezistenþa la efort, apare creºterea în greutate ºi o stare generalã mai bunã.


Laptele prefereat in UE

Includerea laptelui de caprã, normal sau îmbunãtãþit în calciu, în dietã favorizeazã utilizarea digestivã ºi metabolicã a fierului, calciului, magneziului ºi fosforului ºi depozitele lor în organele þintã. Alãturi de laptele ºi brînza de caprã, are proprietatea de a trata afecþiuni pulmonare, cardio-vasculare ºi intestinale, ºi laptele de mãgãriþã. Iar în Asia ºi în Caucaz, laptele de zebu. Produsele din lapte de caprã sînt foarte apreciate în Uniunea Europeanã ºi în special în Franþa, unde a fost înregistrat brevetul cu numãrul 2530952, care indicã faptul cã laptele de caprã este ºi un bun stimulator de creºtere a pãrului. Dar mai este folosit ºi în hrãnirea bebeluºilor.


Postata de: nicky Oct 23 2009, 02:51 AM

Reteta longevitatii din caucaz

Cei mai bãtrîni oameni de pe planetã trãiesc în munþii Caucaz. Conform Guiness Book, cel mai faimos a fost azerul Shirali Muslimov, care a murit pe 2 septembrie 1973 la incredibila vîrstã de 168 ani. Acest lucru a atras atenþia cercetãtorilor ruºi încã din 1940. S-a descoperit cã localnicii consumã zilnic kefir din lapte de caprã, dupã o reþetã þinutã secret generaþii la rînd. Kefirul este util în insomnii, nevroze ºi alte afecþiuni la nivelul sistemului nervos, infecþii cronice de tip herpes. Mulþi specialiºti recomandã kefirul în dieta bolnavilor de SIDA. De asemena, în cantitãþi impresionante, se mãnîncã usturoi, nuci, stafide, miere ºi polen. Legumele ºi fructele sînt foarte preþuite, iar din secretul longevitãþii azerilor face parte ºi Bahmaz, un suc natural din dude albe. Conþine mai mult de 30 de vitamine, minerale ºi aminoacizi care luptã cu colesterolul. Medicii au descoperit cu stupoare cã femeile continuã sã aibã activitate menstrualã mult dupã 55 ani, iar bãrbaþii devin taþi la 80. Aºadar, laptele de caprã face minuni.

Laptele, cu bune si rele

• - Laptele de vacã integral, neprelucrat, e bogat în grãsimi, majoritatea saturate. Un pahar de lapte conþine aceeaºi cantitate de colesterol ca o fripturã de 100 g.
• - Laptele degresat conþine mai puþine grãsimi, dar ºi lactozã ºi proteine greu digerabile.
• - Laptele matern e bogat în acid omega 3, ingredient care lipseºte total din laptele de vacã.
• - Brînza dulce este cea mai bogatã sursã de proteine.
• - Laptele bãtut conþine bacterii lactice necesare pentru menþinerea florei bacteriene normale în intestin. Este mai uºor digerabil decît laptele crud.
• - Iaurtul preparat biologic (în casã) este mai dulce ºi mai sãnãtos decît cel din comerþ. Este digerabil, asimilabil ºi reface flora intestinalã. Un iaurt bun, proaspãt, aduce aport de calciu ºi scade colesterolul.
• - Zerul s-a dovedit extrem de valoros în tratarea sclerozei multiple. Acidul orotic (vitamina B13) fixeazã magneziul la nivel celular ºi creºte valoarea energeticã a celulelor muºchiului inimii, mãrind astfel rezistenþa la efort ºi stres. Proteinele din zer scad colesterolul, stimuleazã creºterea numãrului de celule imunitare tip T, distrug bacteriile, stopeazã evoluþia tumorilor benigne ºi maligne, SIDA , favorizeazã creºterea masei musculare, regleazã greutatea, combat anemia ºi vindecã guta.

Frumusete de legenda

Capra Amalteea, cea care l-a hrãnit pe micul Jupiter, a fost rãsplãtitã, zeul zeilor transformînd-o dintr-o biatã caprã într-o mare constelaþie. Se spune cã regina Egiptului, Cleopatra, era atît de frumoasã datoritã bãilor pe care le fãcea în lapte de caprã, cunoscut pentru calitãþile antiinflamatorii la tenurile cu probleme, sensibile ori îmbãtrînite. În reþete vechi, se recomandã utilizarea brînzeturilor în cosmeticã, mai ales brînza de caprã, pentru eliminarea pistruilor. Brînza se amestecã cu ulei de floarea-soarelui, ºi se aplicã imediat dupã baie. În combinaþie cu mierea de albine, eliminã vînãtãile. În aplicaþii exerne sub formã de comprese, zerul din lapte de caprã ajutã la vindecarea eczemelor ºi degerãturilor.

Postata de: nicky Oct 23 2009, 02:58 AM

Eu i-am dat fetitei mele formula pana la un an si am trecut pe junior pana pe la 2ani si 8 luni .
Am trecut-o pe lapte de vaca si acum bea lapte de capra .Am o prietena care ea le da la fete lapte de capra, si eu am facut figuri cand am aflat de el .Si fetitele ai nu stiu de medicamente .Am zis sa incerc si eu , si de cand bea laptele parca am inceput sa vad rezultate nu mai imi raceste atat de repede .Si o duc si la gardi si vad ca nu mai imi vine cu nasul infundat sau cu alte raceli .Doamne ajuta . notworthy.gif tzuc.gif

Postata de: anku Oct 23 2009, 07:30 AM

QUOTE(nicky @ Oct 23 2009, 02:58 AM) *
Eu i-am dat fetitei mele formula pana la un an si am trecut pe junior pana pe la 2ani si 8 luni .
Am trecut-o pe lapte de vaca si acum bea lapte de capra .Am o prietena care ea le da la fete lapte de capra, si eu am facut figuri cand am aflat de el .Si fetitele ai nu stiu de medicamente .Am zis sa incerc si eu , si de cand bea laptele parca am inceput sa vad rezultate nu mai imi raceste atat de repede .Si o duc si la gardi si vad ca nu mai imi vine cu nasul infundat sau cu alte raceli .Doamne ajuta . notworthy.gif tzuc.gif

am auzit ca intr-adevr este ffff bun laptele de capra...
cine poate....

Postata de: nicky Oct 23 2009, 01:42 PM

QUOTE(anku @ Oct 23 2009, 08:30 AM) *
am auzit ca intr-adevr este ffff bun laptele de capra...
cine poate....

Se gaseste si in comert , eu am noroc ca am o vecina la cateva strazi mai incolo care are 4 capre.
Si imi cumpar proaspat muls de la ea .Imi zice sa nu-l fierb si sa-l dau crud copilului dar imi este frica si tot il firb . floare2.gif

Postata de: liliana2u Oct 23 2009, 02:19 PM

Nu stiu ce aveti impotriva laptelui de vaca, ca eu sunt totalmente pro, in special pt cel organic, nu cel ce se gaseste in comert sau cel de la vaci hranite cu furaje aditivate, imbogatite artificial cu diverse chestii, cum se practica prin UE, Nord America etc... laptele de vaca este poate alimentul cel mai sanatos, tocmai pt continutul proportionat de grasimi, calciu si alte minerale.
Laptele de capra este f. slab, din cate stiu eu, ii lipseste calciul.
Eu ii dau fetitei mele de f. multa vreme lapte de vaca (noroc cu parintii mei si a lor gospodarie) si pot spune ca de cand am inceput sa i-l dau, s-au vazut rezultatele bune, nu s-a mai imbolnavit cum i se intampla anul trecut, dupa ce am intarcat-o, cand ii administram Junior 2, 2+ de la Nestle (pt care oricum sunt impotriva, avand in vedere toate substantele folosite la preparare).
Mama mea este bolnava de 2 cancere operate/iradiate si pot spune ca de cand avem vitele si consuma in mod curent lactate de vaca, ea este mai mult decat OK..
Sanatatea sta in puterea noastra de a ne conserva cat mai bine, in gandirea pozitiva, o astfel de abordare ne face sa trecem peste orice afectiune.

Postata de: nicky Oct 24 2009, 02:34 AM

QUOTE(liliana2u @ Oct 23 2009, 03:19 PM) *
Nu stiu ce aveti impotriva laptelui de vaca, ca eu sunt totalmente pro, in special pt cel organic, nu cel ce se gaseste in comert sau cel de la vaci hranite cu furaje aditivate, imbogatite artificial cu diverse chestii, cum se practica prin UE, Nord America etc... laptele de vaca este poate alimentul cel mai sanatos, tocmai pt continutul proportionat de grasimi, calciu si alte minerale.
Laptele de capra este f. slab, din cate stiu eu, ii lipseste calciul.
Eu ii dau fetitei mele de f. multa vreme lapte de vaca (noroc cu parintii mei si a lor gospodarie) si pot spune ca de cand am inceput sa i-l dau, s-au vazut rezultatele bune, nu s-a mai imbolnavit cum i se intampla anul trecut, dupa ce am intarcat-o, cand ii administram Junior 2, 2+ de la Nestle (pt care oricum sunt impotriva, avand in vedere toate substantele folosite la preparare).
Mama mea este bolnava de 2 cancere operate/iradiate si pot spune ca de cand avem vitele si consuma in mod curent lactate de vaca, ea este mai mult decat OK..
Sanatatea sta in puterea noastra de a ne conserva cat mai bine, in gandirea pozitiva, o astfel de abordare ne face sa trecem peste orice afectiune.





Laptele de capra are compozitia cea mai apropiata de laptele de mama.
Laptele de capra este cel mai sanatos.Cercetatorii americani au ajuns la concluzia ca laptele de capra este mult mai sanatos decat cel de vaca. Laptele de capra previne anemia si demineralizarea oaselor. Acest tip de lapte te ajuta sa asimilezi mai bine calciul, fosforul, magneziul si fierul si previne afectiunile digestive.Chiar daca ambele tipuri de lapte contin la fel de mult calciu, laptele de capra contine o combinatie de minerale care iti va ajuta organismul sa fie sanatos. Daca suferi de anemie sau de demineralizarea oaselor, laptele de capra te va ajuta sa te refaci mai repede. Combinatia de calciu, fosfor, magneziu si fier este ideala pentru a tine la distanta aceste boli.

Postata de: nicky Oct 24 2009, 02:49 AM

Eu nu vreau sa fortez pe nimeni sa-l foloseasca .
Dar dupa cum a spus Ela ea vrea sa previna o anumita boala care din pacate este foarte grea .
Si totusi nimeni nu a zis ca este inpotriva laptelui de vaca , iar noi toti avem decizia sa ne exprimam parerile si sa dam sfaturi cat mai bune .Eu sunt pentru laptele de capra ..........si este un lapte gras si are foarte mult calciu ca ori ce lapte din lumea asta tongue.gif Stiu ca am fost rautacioasa scuza-ma .

Postata de: adrianaO Oct 24 2009, 09:44 PM

buna seara! noi am folosit/folosim mai rar acum laptele de vaca pentru a face branzica aceea calcica....far acest lapte nu prea vad cum ai putea sa o produci....ma rog...faza este ca daca fierb laptele (vorbesc doar de cazul meu) si il modific cu ceva gen gris, orez calciu lactic etc...iulia nu se irita pe burtica. daca il dau crud cum ar veni (de genul in piureul de legume) face o super iritatie urata pe burtica si pe picioare. DE FIECARE DATA deci se exclude posibilitatea unei coincidente....
de aceea eu merg in continuare (noi am avut san doar 3 saptamani...) pe aptamil. stiu ca este FAKE dar uite ca macar nu se irita copila.....am trecut deja la junior....
eu personal am crescut cu lapte de vaca dar vremurile s-au mai schimbat.....cunostintele mamelor in domeniu de asemenea s-au schimbat si incidenta bolilor/deficientelor etc parerea mea este ca a scazut in randul copilasilor...eu nu mai aud mame plangandu-se de colici, de copii bolnavi, de agitatie inutila etc....tind sa cred ca nefolosirea laptelui de vaca este una din cauze...repet este doar parerea mea! trandafir.gif

Postata de: maria_corina29 Jan 8 2010, 01:13 PM

QUOTE(nicky @ Oct 24 2009, 04:34 AM) *
Laptele de capra are compozitia cea mai apropiata de laptele de mama.
Laptele de capra este cel mai sanatos.Cercetatorii americani au ajuns la concluzia ca laptele de capra este mult mai sanatos decat cel de vaca. Laptele de capra previne anemia si demineralizarea oaselor. Acest tip de lapte te ajuta sa asimilezi mai bine calciul, fosforul, magneziul si fierul si previne afectiunile digestive.Chiar daca ambele tipuri de lapte contin la fel de mult calciu, laptele de capra contine o combinatie de minerale care iti va ajuta organismul sa fie sanatos. Daca suferi de anemie sau de demineralizarea oaselor, laptele de capra te va ajuta sa te refaci mai repede. Combinatia de calciu, fosfor, magneziu si fier este ideala pentru a tine la distanta aceste boli.



nici un lapte indiferent ca e de capra, vaca, bivolita,...NU e bun pentru copiii pana intr-un an!

Postata de: maria_corina29 Jan 8 2010, 01:15 PM

ela, uite ce am gasit eu tot pe net despre laptele de vaca dar pentru copii mai mari si adulti:


Consumul de lapte si produse lactate este determinant pentru starea de sanatate a unei natiuni

27.09.2009




Laptele si produsele lactate reprezinta alimente cu o valoare nutritionala exceptionala, dar si o sursa de substante bioactive cu multiple activitati fiziologice benefice pentru organismul uman. In aceasta lucrare se prezinta unele efecte favorabile, determinate de un consum constant de lapte si/sau de produse obtinute din lapte.


In revista Tetra Pak Magazine (95/2008) se prezinta argumente in favoarea cresterii consumului de lapte si produse lactate pe plan mondial. In SUA, inca din 1996 a fost elaborat programul Milk PEP (Milk Processor Education Program) pentru a sensibiliza consumatorii americani fata de diverse aspecte nutritive ale consumului de lapte si produse lactate.

In ianuarie 2007, o noua campanie a fost lansata pentru a reaminti importanta laptelui, care permite umplerea vidului nutritional determinat de cresterea consumului de bauturi carbogazoase.


Si in tara noastra, in ultimii ani, a existat o preocupare sustinuta privind elaborarea unor lucrari care sa clarifice aspecte legate de valoarea nutritionala a laptelui si a produselor lcatate. Aceste lucrari elaborate in general de specialisti de la Facultatea de Stiinta si Ingineria Alimentelor din Universitatea “Dunarea de Jos” din Galati, au fost publicate in Editura Academica din Galati:
->Alimente Functionale (colectia Alimentele si Sanatatea), 1999 – editori: G. M. Costin, Rodica Segal
Principiile nutritiei, 2002 – autor: Rodica Segal
Laptele aliment medicament, 2006 – autori: Viorica Maria Macovei, G. M. Costin
Produse lactate functionale, 2007 – autori: G. M. Costin, Teodora Caºulschi, Dana Pop, Silviu Stanciu, Daniela Paraschiv
Alimente ecologice, 2006 – editor: G.M. Costin

Fiind primele aparitii editoriale in domeniu, se apreciaza ca aceste lucrari au avut o contributie importanta la educatia fabricantilor de produse lactate (functionale, ecologice) cat si a consumatorilor care au avut sansa sa le citeasca si sa inteleaga aspectele prezentate.

La nivel mondial, se consuma zilnic 1.9 miliarde de litri de lapte, cererea de lapte crescand in ultimii 7 ani cu 14%, fiind superioara cresterii cererii de petrol, care este de numai 13% pentru aceeasi perioada.

Aceasta tendinta este determinata de faptul ca populatia a devenit constienta de influenta benefica a laptelui si a produselor lactate in general.

Un studiu britanic realizat asupra a 2300 de barbati cu varsta intre 45 si 59 de ani, care au consumat cel putin 0.5 litri de lapte pe zi, a evidentiat faptul ca acestia au un risc cu 62% mai redus de a dezvolta un sindrom metabolic.

Sindromul metabolic
este un termen care grupeaza diversi factori de risc care pot conduce la diabet si la maladii vasculare, cum sunt crizele cardiace si accidentele vasculare cerebrale (AVC).

In relatiile dintre alimentatie si organismul uman, relativ recent a aparut un concept nou: al alimentelor functionale, definite ca fiind produse alimentare precum si componenete ale acestora, care imbunatatesc starea generala de sanatate a consumatorilor, evita riscul imbolnavirilor si amelioreaza capacitatea de recuperare dupa diverse boli (G.M. Costin si Segal R., 1999).
Sub aspectul efectelor acestor alimente functionale nici o categorie de produse nu se poate compara cu laptele si produsele lactate. Numeroase cercetari au stabilit cu certitudine ca laptele este dotat natural cu calitati exceptionale, care-i permit sa fie transformat in nenumarate produse cu o importanta valoare adaugata.

Din punct de vedere nutritional, laptele este apreciat ca o excelenta sursa de calciu, dar si de proteine de inalta calitate si vitamine hidrosolubile si liposolubile. Insa, laptele nu este doar o sursa de nutrienti ci si produsul care furnizeaza organismului un larg spectru de componente bioactive, cu multiple activitati fiziologice in tractul gastrointestinal. Aceste activitati au drept consecinta imbunatatirea absorbtiei nutrientilor, inhibarea unor enzime, modularea sistemului imunitar si apararea imbotriva bacteriilor patogene. Proteinele laptelui care faciliteaza absorbtia nutrientilor esentiali sunt cazeinele ά – si β -, lactoferine, proteina care leaga vitamina B12 (haptocarina) si proteine care fixeaza folatul. Prin formarea fosfopeptidelor din digestia cazeinei se imbunatateste utilizarea calciului.

Lactoferina, haptocorina si proteina care leaga folatul asigura furnizarea ferului, vitaminei B12 si a folatului catre organism, prin interactiuni cu structuri specifice sau receptori din mucoasa intestinala microvilara.

De asemenea, proteinele bioactive din lapte pot inhiba cresterea bacteriilor prin retinerea unor nutrienti esentiali pentru multiplicarea lor. Altele, au activitate bactericida distrugand celula bacteriilor patogene (lizozimul, lactoferina).

Alt mecanism prin care proteinele laptelui blocheaza dezvoltarea unor microorganisme in intestin este utilizarea unor oligozaharide ca parte a glicoproteinelor. Structura acestor oligozaharide este asemanatoare cu a mucoasei intestinale actionand in consecinta ca o “capcana” solubila si prevenind astfel, adeziunea si invazia bacteriilor patogene. Glicomacropeptidele (GMP) care se formeaza la coagularea enzimatica a laptelui si trec in zer, contin astfel de structuri si pot contribui la protectia impotriva infectiilor.

Laptele si consolidarea sistemului osos

Capacitatea organismului de a produce Calciu pentru a consolida scheletul este mai mare in cursul copilariei si a adolescentei.

In consecinta, copiii au nevoie de un important aport de Calciu pentru a beneficia de o osatura rezistenta la varsta adulta, insa concomitent cu activitatea fizica si aport de vitamina D si radiatii solare.

O jumatate de litru de lapte pe zi asigura organismului necesarul de calciu de care are nevoie pentru a incetini procesul de decalcifiere osoasa care incepe dupa 30 de ani.

500ml de lapte acopera 75% din necesarul zilnic de 800mg de Calciu care, in plus, prezinta si o foarte buna biodisponibilitate, fiind absorbit in intestin in proportie de pana la 45%.
Segal R. (2001) apreciaza ca laptele si produsele lactate constituie sursa cea mai importanta de calciu usor asimilabil din alimentatie, deoarece raportul Calciu/Fosfor de 1.5:1 este favorabil unei bune utilizari digestive a Calciului, ca si a prezentei lactozei si a acidului citric cu care Calciul formeaza saruri solubile usor asimilabile.

OSTEOPOROZA


Osteoporoza este o boala legata partial de factori genetici, care reduce masa osoasa si in consecinta, mareste riscul fracturilor. La scara mondiala, 30% dintre femeile si 20% dintre barbatii care au depasit varsta de 50 de ani sunt afectati de aceasta boala. Simptomele cele mai cunoscute sunt durerile dorsale si reducerea inaltimii datorita tasarii coloanei verticale. Creste mult riscul fracturilor, in special cele de sold, fracturi care se produc chiar la lovituri minore.

Scheletul uman evolueaza constant si se regenereaza continuu prin asimilarea de calciu. Intre 25 si 30 de ani masa osoasa are densitate maxima.

Este de retinut ca nu se poate creste masa osoasa numai prin incetinirea decalcifierii. Este foarte important sa se asigure un aport suficient de calciu in tot cursul vietii, la femei, deoarece la menopauza se constata o decalcifiere mai rapida a scheletului lor, decat la barbati.

Pentru a avea un schelet puternic sunt necesare urmatoarele conditii: activitate fizica, vitamina D si un aport suficient de Calciu.

Fundatia Internationala de Osteoporoza (IOF) a stabilit ca laptele, branzeturile si unele produse lactate sunt printre sursele de Calciu cele mai abundente si mai usor asimilabile, impreuna cu broccoli, varza, alune, migdale, produse pe baza de soia, smochine uscate, sardele, somon., crevete si oua.


Reglarea presiunii arteriale

Riscul bolilor cardiovasculare si a hemoragiilor cerebrale (AVC) este mai mare in cazul persoanelor cu presiune arteriala ridicata. In prezent, este binecunoscut ca o alimentatie bogata in fructe si legume si in produse lactate cu continut scazut de grasime permite o scadere sensibila a valorii tensiunii arteriale.

Functionarea normala a sistemului vascular este controlata prin numeroase mecanisme, intre care enzima care converteste angiotensina (ACE) este cheia presiunii sanguine periferice prin actiunea sa in transformarea angiotensinei I in angiotensina II, un puternic vasoconstrictor.

Inhibarea ACE poate conduce la modificarea hipotensiva afectand numerosi parametri fiziologici, inclusiv presiunea sanguina.

Prin hidroliza cazeinei bovine se obtin peptide care inhiba ACE, denumite casokinine, iar din proteinele zerului lactokinine. In cursul unor procese tehnologice (lapte fermentat, branzeturi) se produc cantitati importante de peptide puternic inhibitoare de ACE (Costin G.M., 2006).

Pe de alta parte, un numar impresionant de investigatii (pe animale, studii epidemiologice, trial-uri clinice umane) au evidentiat rolul benefic al Calciului in controlul presiunii sanguine. Ingerarea de Calciu din lapte si derivatele lactate are un efect mai important asupre reducerii presiunii arteriale decat suplimentele de Calciu.

In afara efectelor mentionate, consumul de lapte si produse lactate are o influenta benefica generala asupra organismului, astfel:
sustine activitatea fizica (moderata sau de performanta), putand inlocui bauturile energizante (uneori controversate) sau alti adjuvanti de efort
intensifica vitalitatea, in particular, pentru persoanele de varsta a 3-a, prevenind un proces de degenerescenta a memoriei, scheletului si muschilor
da un impuls de sanatate: componentele laptelui asigura pielii si parului vitaminele, mineralele, lipidele si proteinele necesare pentru intretinere si refacere.

Prof.dr.ing. G.M. COSTIN, conf.dr.ing.ec. Silvius STANCIU Universitatea “Dunarea de Jos” din Galati


Postata de: meaw_ela Mar 7 2010, 03:03 AM

Multzimesc tuturor pentru randuri. pro si contra sau neutre.LOL...
este bine sa impartashim parerile intr-n mod civilizat si cat mai prietenesc... inbcercam sa ajutam ! oFloare1.gif

Daca as avea si eu o vacutza si ash stii ce mananca ash bea lapte linistita.. ............la fel ca si ouale din comertz....provente in mare parte de la gaini abuzate, tzinute in custi, cu ciocul retezat si hranite cu tot felul de steroizi sa produca oua mai repede...... oFloare1.gif


dar altfel... prefer lapte de capra sau Soya....


Astept in continuare si parerile voastre educative. oFloare1.gif

Postata de: anku Mar 7 2010, 01:17 PM

QUOTE(anku @ Oct 23 2009, 06:30 AM) *
am auzit ca intr-adevr este ffff bun laptele de capra...
cine poate....


acum ca are 1 an si 3 luni i-am dat si eu prima data lapte de capra
dar numai o masa maxim 2 p zi...
minunat l-a acceptat
QUOTE(nicky @ Oct 23 2009, 12:42 PM) *
Se gaseste si in comert , eu am noroc ca am o vecina la cateva strazi mai incolo care are 4 capre.
Si imi cumpar proaspat muls de la ea .Imi zice sa nu-l fierb si sa-l dau crud copilului dar imi este frica si tot il firb . floare2.gif


deci eu stiu ca e periculos nefiert...
noi cumparam dintr-un magazin bio...gata fiert si racit
2.50 euro un kg
e scump...dar se merita

QUOTE(nicky @ Oct 24 2009, 01:34 AM) *
Laptele de capra are compozitia cea mai apropiata de laptele de mama.
Laptele de capra este cel mai sanatos.Cercetatorii americani au ajuns la concluzia ca laptele de capra este mult mai sanatos decat cel de vaca. Laptele de capra previne anemia si demineralizarea oaselor. Acest tip de lapte te ajuta sa asimilezi mai bine calciul, fosforul, magneziul si fierul si previne afectiunile digestive.Chiar daca ambele tipuri de lapte contin la fel de mult calciu, laptele de capra contine o combinatie de minerale care iti va ajuta organismul sa fie sanatos. Daca suferi de anemie sau de demineralizarea oaselor, laptele de capra te va ajuta sa te refaci mai repede. Combinatia de calciu, fosfor, magneziu si fier este ideala pentru a tine la distanta aceste boli.

exact asa stiu si eu...
aici femeile care nu pot alapta fac de multe ori asa
dar sub nici o forma de vacuta

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